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#1 Ringen

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Posted 08 January 2014 - 07:26 AM

The Flash-Button has been around for a while - it's time to give it an upgrade!

Basic idea : Add timing to the buttons.

This could for instance :

* Simulate the natural fade-out of PAR-64's on LED-fixtures
* Make 'flashing' less obvious and easier to use by not being so abrupt.
* Do a lot of cool stuff I havn't thought of yet

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I also have a suggestion to how it could be done.
The REALLY cool way would be to add the old synthesizer ADSR-curve.Attached File  ADSR-curve.png   22.48KB   0 downloads
This type of curve can make a LOT of different looks !
I feel that one global curve is sufficient as long as it's easy to change.

 (More info on the curve in the post #3 !)

Control of this should be a virtual fixture like the brilliant idea with the Audio-fixtures.
That way it could be controlled by faders / pallets and everything. One fixture with four parameters.

It also has to work with the flash-buttons for Group-masters ! They are very useful for flashing.

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I'm very excited about this idea and I hope I managed to communicate how cool it would be.
Please post if you like this, and add your own ideas.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:49 AM

Do you meen flash on the VX wings?

It could be set to use the fade out timing in the cue and also fade in.


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 08:53 AM

For all of you not familiar with old synthesizers I thought an explanation on the curve was in order:

 

 

Attack time is the time taken for initial fade-in from 0% to 100%, beginning when the button is first pressed.

Decay time is the time taken for the subsequent (optional) fade from 100% to the designated sustain level.

Sustain level is the level until the button is released.

Release time is the time taken for the level to fade from the sustain level to zero after the button is released.

 

A=0  D=0  S=100  R=0 would give the same result as the button gives today.

 

A=0  D=0  S=100 R= 0,5sec would quickly fade out when released making LED's look more like PAR for instance.

 

A=0  D=1sec S=0 R=0 would make the lights fade out even if the button is still pressed

 

A=2sec  D=0  S=100  R=2sec would fade in the lights, keep them on while pressed and then fade them out nicely when the button is released.

 

A=0  D=1sec  S=50  R=1sec  Would start at full but then fade to 50% and stay there until the button is released. Then it would fade to zero.                                             


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Posted 08 January 2014 - 09:07 AM

Do you meen flash on the VX wings?

It could be set to use the fade out timing in the cue and also fade in.

 

Yes I mean all flash buttons - VX and LX.

 

I would like this to be separate time so you don't have to make different cuelists for different looks. But most important so you could easily change it.

I would also like to have this on Groupmasters, and they don't have any fade in or fade out timing.


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 04:09 AM

Yeah! Anything that is happening with flash is ok by me. Right now it has to be the worst feature in clarity as is. But the behavior is the same in all light software i think.


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Posted 10 January 2014 - 07:51 PM

Nice idea! I would extend this concept to something called Trigger Shaping that can be stored as Preset and later on assigned to Chase trigger or Flash trigger.

 

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#7 Klaus Bolte

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 12:07 PM

I would say before this happen, there are even more nessecary things on the list.

I speak as an LX-User what is needing more programming functions.

 

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#8 Ringen

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 08:17 PM

Hi Klaus

 

Would you mind explaining what programming functions you request ? (In a separate topic) I'm always curious on new functionality.

 

I must admit though that tools to help improvise during shows are high on my priority list. For instance Flash-Button timing.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:27 AM

++ Flash Timing


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#10 Ringen

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Posted 12 March 2016 - 07:59 AM

Maybe Martin reads this forum  :)

 

Now at least one software has this functions - Martin software & wing solution.

They made it so each button has individual settings.

 

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For those who didn't read the thread: Why would you want this ?

Because flashing with led looks like crap, a little RELEASE time is what we need!  (Martin calls it Decay though, but I don't care what we call it...)


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Posted 13 March 2016 - 12:55 PM

yeah looks ok in Martin. sad all the rest is a pain  :)

wish i could flash without the wings.


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Posted 27 March 2016 - 06:00 PM

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Posted 10 February 2017 - 08:17 PM

ETC Cobalt also have this functionality. You can set (fade)IN - WAIT - (fade)OUT time for each flashbutton.

Very useful!

 

 

 

For those who didn't read the thread: Why would you want this ?
Because flashing with led looks like crap, a little RELEASE (fade out) time is what we need!

 

It could for instance work similar to some led-fixtures 'halogen mode' where the lamp fades out after the DMX has reached 0.

 

 

Remember to add a post if you too want it.


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Posted 02 March 2017 - 12:20 AM

Great idea, but I think at the moment there are more popular features to add first.


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 03:08 AM

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#16 Greg Hughes

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 09:54 PM

I have had another user request out timing on flash buttons and for the out time to x fade to whatever look is current.

You can set the Fade in time (thumbwheel in the Control Booth) and that will X fade in when the Flash button is pressed, but there does not appear to be any mechanism to X fade on the release of the Flash Button back to the existing state.


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